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>> logan: where can you find some of the best big game hunting in the world? it's a place that may surprise you. to get the best view, we flew by helicopter over this vast terrain. from the air, we could see herds of african antelope and zebra charging across the wide open spaces. it looks remarkably like africa, but it's not. this is texas. ( gunshot ) ♪ ♪ >> kroft: perhaps the most remarkable thing about trey parker and matt stone is that, over the past 15 years, they have written, directed, and voiced the major characters in every scene of more than 200 episodes of "south park." >> i know that i'm awesome and cool, polly prissy-pants. >> kroft: now, they're taking on the great white way in "the book
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picked a 73-year-old, affable former congressman as the one to track down osama bin laden. but as we first told you earlier this year, leon panetta has held the toughest jobs in washington and quietly done what seems impossible. before bin laden, panetta helped balance the federal budget. in a long career, he had been a budget director and white house chief of staff. but by 1997, he left washington and went home to california. it was 12 years later that president-elect obama made an odd request-- would panetta lead the c.i.a.? panetta had never worked in intelligence, but his team put a navy seal in bin laden's bedroom. last summer, the president made panetta secretary of defense, in charge of managing three million employees, fighting three wars, and stopping iran from building an atom bomb.
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this last january, before the president spoke to the nation, he had a few words for leon panetta. >> president barack obama: good job, tonight. good job tonight. ( applause ) >> pelley: with nearly the entire government assembled for the state of the union address, maybe ten people in the room knew what that was about. the navy's seal team six had just rescued two hostages, including an american woman. this time, the action was in somalia. in how many countries are we currently engaged in a shooting war? >> leon panetta: it's a good question. ( laughs ) that's... you know, it's... >> pelley: you have to stop and count. >> panetta: got to stop... i'll have to stop and think about that, because, you know, obviously, we're going after al qaeda, wherever they're... they're at. and clearly, we're... we're confronting al qaeda in pakistan. we're confronting the nodes of al qaeda in yemen, in somalia, in north africa.
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>> pelley: when you're secretary of defense, it's a small world, and a dangerous one. panetta was covering it when we caught up with him on a trip to afghanistan, where he has 90,000 troops; iraq, where the war was ending; and libya, where he'd helped depose qaddafi. panetta travels on a flying command post, where he can reach every american warplane, submarine and missile silo. if the president ordered a nuclear war, panetta would launch it from what they call the "doomsday plane." the president would reach you on this aircraft. >> panetta: the president would... would reach me on this aircraft, and very possibly be on this aircraft to be able to direct what happens in that situation. >> pelley: we noticed panetta's spartan compartment is built for two: two chairs, two bunks, two phones-- for him and the president. but on this trip, panetta wasn't worried about russia's thousands of nuclear weapons; he was thinking of what he would do if iran built just one.
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>> panetta: the united states-- and the president's made this clear-- does not want iran to develop a nuclear weapon. that's a red line for us. and it's a red line, obviously, for the israelis, so we share a common goal here-- if we have to do it, we will do it. >> pelley: what is "it?" >> panetta: if they proceed, and we get intelligence that they're proceeding with developing a nuclear weapon, then we will take whatever steps are necessary to stop it. >> pelley: including military steps? >> panetta: there are no options that are off the table. >> pelley: we were surprised to hear how far he thinks iran has come. >> panetta: the consensus is that, if they decided to do it, it would probably take them about a year to be able to produce a bomb, and then possibly another one to two years in order to put it on a deliverable vehicle of some sort in order to deliver that weapon.
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>> pelley: of course, panetta knows more than he tells. maybe he knows who's bombing iranian scientists; why iran's missile facility mysteriously blew up; or how a computer virus wrecked iran's uranium enrichment plant. judging from the u.s. spy drone that fell in iran, america and its allies are waging war without sending thousands of troops. the doomsday plane is laden with secret gear. we can't show you most of it. it's so heavy, the air force refueled it twice in the night sky over the atlantic. it turns out the lightest thing on board was the heart of the man with a world of worry. how do you launch the nuclear response from this airplane? i mean, you pick up this phone? >> panetta: don't touch anything, scott. ( laughter ) >> pelley: leon panetta is rarely far from... ( laughter ) ...an eyelid-collapsing, ground- shaking belly laugh.
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it's involuntary, and to people around him, it's reassuring that, with lives at stake, he stays in touch with his humanity and where he came from. leon panetta lives on the farm where he grew up. he and his brother planted these walnut trees 65 years ago with their father, and the panettas stick to their roots in northern california. he and his wife sylvia raised three boys here, one of whom served in afghanistan. panetta's parents had arrived here from italy without a word of english. did you pick the walnuts? >> panetta: used to pick them all the time. my dad used to have a pole and hook, and shake every one of these branches, and hit the walnuts. and my brother and i used to be underneath collecting the walnuts, putting them in sacks. and, you know, my dad often said i was well trained to go to washington because i'd been dodging these nuts all my life.
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( laughs ) ♪ ♪ >> pelley: his mother wanted a pianist. but panetta orchestrated a run for congress and, for 16 years, represented his home district. he became president clinton's budget director and worked with congress to balance the federal budget for the only time in the last 42 years. a lot of people were surprised when your name came up for director of central intelligence. >> panetta: i was kind of surprised, as well. i spent most of my life working on budget issues and thought that, you know, that would more likely be an area that they might want me. but the president said, "i need somebody who can restore the credibility of the c.i.a." and for me, that represented a challenge. >> pelley: the first challenge ordered by the president was to rethink the search for osama bin laden.
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there hadn't been a good lead since the u.s. lost him in 2001 in the mountains of tora bora, afghanistan. within a year and a half of panetta taking over as director of central intelligence, the u.s. tracked al qaeda couriers to a house in a town called abbottabad, deep inside pakistan. panetta sent satellites, drones, officers and spies to watch it for eight months, but they were never sure that bin laden was there. on april 30th last year, mr. obama and panetta made a point of being seen at the white house correspondents dinner. panetta's belly laugh was heard at every presidential punch line, but both men knew they'd just pulled the trigger. seal team six would launch in 16 hours. >> panetta: the risks are... were enormous-- you know, going
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in that far; the prospect of detection; the prospect that, you know, one of these helicopters might go down; the fact that, once they arrived there, we might, you know, have a shooting war with pakistanis take place. >> pelley: with all of those risks you were facing, you recommended going ahead with this to the president. why? >> panetta: you know, in the 40 years i've been in government, this, for me, was probably the most remarkable operation that i was a part of, because everybody played their role in a very effective and responsible way. this was the best case we had on bin laden since tora bora. and because of that, because for ten years we had run into dead ends trying to track bin laden down, i thought, for that reason alone, we had a responsibility to act. >> pelley: this is panetta running the mission from c.i.a.
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headquarters. he acted without telling our pakistani allies, because panetta just couldn't figure how bin laden lived there more than five years, undetected, about a mile from pakistan's military academy, its west point. elements of the pakistani government knew he was there? >> panetta: i personally have always felt that somebody must have had some sense of what... what was happening at this compound. don't forget, this compound had 18-foot walls around it. 12-foot walls in some areas, 18- foot walls elsewhere, a seven- foot wall on the third balcony of the house. it was the largest compound in the area. so you would have thought that somebody would have asked the question, "what the hell's going on there?" >> pelley: is that why you recommended we not tell the pakistanis that we were coming? >> panetta: we had seen some military helicopters actually going over this compound. >> pelley: pakistani military helicopters? >> panetta: and for that reason,
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it concerned us that if we, in fact, brought them into it, that they might give him... give bin laden a heads-up. >> pelley: i appreciate the diplomatic problems you have, mr. secretary, but everything you're telling me in this interview indicates that the pakistani government knew he was there and that that's what you believe. >> panetta: i don't have any hard evidence, so i can't say it for a fact. there's nothing that proves the case. but as i said, my personal view is that somebody somewhere probably had that knowledge. >> pelley: there is one more thing that secretary panetta noticed after the raid-- there was no escape route from the house. it's as if the occupant was expecting plenty of warning. before it was torn down in february, the house was already short one brick. it's hanging on the wall of panetta's office, a memento that c.i.a. officers brought him, labeled with bin laden's code name, "'geronimo'-- abbottabad,
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pakistan." even before the raid, president obama nominated panetta for secretary of defense. he took over 11 months ago, arriving most days at the pentagon at dawn and working well into the night. last january, panetta was aboard the u.s.s. "enterprise" in the atlantic, and they even let the boss clear one of his planes to land. >> panetta: roger, ball. >> pelley: he may be directing shadow wars in more places than he can count, but one of his biggest challenges now is to manage the massive budget cuts in his big-ticket military that have been ordered by congress. >> panetta: the reality is that we now are facing, as a result of congressional action, having to take down the defense budget by, you know, well over $450 billion over the next ten years. >> pelley: and that will mean
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what? >> panetta: we'll have to make some very tough decisions about how we do this. the last thing i want to do is to make the mistakes of the past. we still have to have a military that protects us against a lot of threats that are out there-- terrorism, iran, north korea, nuclear proliferation, problem of cyber attacks, rising powers like china. >> pelley: that's quite a list for the globe-trotting secretary of defense, but he told us that the toughest part of the job is right here at his desk. in your long history in government, one thing you've never had to do is make decisions of life and death. >> panetta: in some ways, in this job, i am doing that every day. and the toughest thing in this job, frankly, is writing the condolence letters to the parents of those young men who are killed in action, and that loss-- having been a parent of somebody who has been stationed over there-- you know what that
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alright madre, padre. >> logan: where can you find some of the best big game hunting in the world? as we first reported in january, it's a place that may surprise you. tonight, we're going to take you on a journey into a world that many people don't even know exists. to get the best view, we flew by helicopter over this vast terrain. from the air, we could see herds of african antelope and zebra charging across the wide open spaces. it looks remarkably like africa, but it's not-- this is texas. here in the lone star state, the iconic texas longhorn now shares the range with more than a quarter-million animals from asia, africa, europe.
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today, texas has more exotic wildlife than any other place on earth. how many exotics do you have in texas? >> charly seale: i think our last count, there's, like, 125 different species here in texas. >> logan: charly seale is a fourth-generation rancher, and the executive director of the exotic wildlife association, based here in the heart of the texas hill country. it's his job to represent the interests of some 5,000 "exotic ranchers" across north america. so, would you say texas has the most non-native species of animals? >> seale: oh, yes, absolutely. >> logan: it's amazing that you had this really dramatic change in the texas landscape going on almost unnoticed by the rest of the country. >> seale: a lot of folks have noticed it, but it's been a well-kept secret. >> logan: it all began more than half a century ago with surplus animals from zoos. these images were filmed on texas ranches back in 1975. the ranchers liked the novelty
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of these strange animals on their properties. but what started as a curiosity has evolved into a major achievement in wildlife conservation, by helping to bring back three african antelope from the brink of extinction, according to charly seale. >> seale: our members own more numbers of rare and endangered species than any other association in the world. three of our biggest successes have been the scimitar-horned oryx, the addax, and the dama gazelle. our numbers have absolutely just skyrocketed in the last... last 15 to 20 years. >> logan: so, these animals are thriving in texas while they're still endangered or extinct in their native lands? >> seale: yes. >> logan: so are they still endangered, in your view? >> seale: absolutely not. not in texas. >> logan: how did thousands of texas ranches become home to the largest population of exotic animals on earth? it's thanks to trophy hunters, like paul, who come here in the thousands to hunt these animals every year, sold on the idea of
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an african hunting experience in texas. it's open season on close to 100 species of exotic game all the time here because exotic animals are considered private property. paul allowed us to come with him as he went on this hunt, if we agreed to use only his first name. >> paul: i've been looking forward to this hunt for several months now and i'm just pumped. >> logan: here, he and a guide are searching for a scimitar- horned oryx for him to take home as a trophy. if they find one, it'll cost paul $4,500. other animals, like this dama gazelle, cost around $10,000. and the rarest, a cape buffalo, has a $50,000 price tag. exotic wildlife has become a billion-dollar industry in texas, supporting more than 14,000 jobs. for two days, paul and his guide
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searched this 30,000-acre ranch just two hours outside san antonio for an oryx, but they didn't find any. animal rights groups accuse the ranchers of making the hunts too easy, but that's not what we witnessed in this case. six months later, we met up with paul when he came back to try his luck again on another ranch. we were curious to know whether it bothered him that the animal he was hunting is officially extinct in the wild. do you care about this species? do you care if this species goes extinct? >> paul: oh, yes, i do. >> logan: why do you want to kill them? >> paul: the money that i spend to hunt these animals keeps these animals alive on these ranches. >> logan: you may be surprised to learn that the u.s. government agrees with that. for years, it's allowed the scimitar-horned oryx and two other endangered antelope to be hunted on u.s. soil.
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the u.s. fish and wildlife service has concluded that: "hunting provides an economic incentive for ranchers to continue to breed these species," and that "hunting reduces the threat of the species' extinction." on ranches like this, they say they don't allow more than 10% of a herd to be hunted per year. >> paul: here we go. guys, guys. >> logan: after six hours, paul and his guide have finally spotted some oryx. they were about 150 yards away, and they thought they had found a suitable target. he got ready to take a shot. >> paul: okay, is that the one? are you sure? ( gunshot ) >> logan: paul hit the target with one bullet. >> seale: hunters are the... are the main conservationists in this whole equation. >> logan: can you call yourselves conservationists when your purpose, your intent, the thing that's driving it is to hunt the animals and to kill them? >> seale: absolutely. that's... that's why these animals thrive. it's because of that... that
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value that they have to the hunting community. >> logan: you know, just because people are willing to pay large amounts of money for those trophies doesn't make it right. >> seale: i can't let these animals just freely roam around my ranch. i can't do it. i won't do it. >> logan: do you love these animals? >> seale: absolutely. >> logan: how can you kill something you love? >> seale: i can do that for the simple reason that i know it's for the welfare of every one of those animals. you sacrifice one so that many more are born and... and raised, from calves all the way up to the big trophy male or the big trophy females that... that we have. >> priscilla feral: i think that's ludicrous. i think it's immoral. and i don't think anybody's entitled to do that. >> logan: priscilla feral is president of friends of animals, an international animal rights organization. for the past seven years, she's been fighting in court to stop these rare african antelope from being hunted in texas. >> feral: they're breeding these
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antelopes, they're selling the antelopes, and they're killing the antelopes. and they're calling it "conserving" them. they are saying it's an act of conservation, and that's lunacy. >> logan: you would rather they did not exist in texas at all? >> feral: i don't want to see them on hunting ranches. i don't want to see them dismembered. i don't want to see their value in body parts. i think it's obscene. i don't think you create a life to... to shoot it. >> logan: so, if the animals exist only to be hunted... >> feral: right. >> logan: ...you would rather they not exist at all? >> feral: not in texas, no. >> seale: our biggest enemy are the animal rights people. they don't understand what we do. >> logan: what's to understand? i mean, you're hunters. you hunt these exotic animals. that's pretty simple. >> seale: it is, but there are a faction of people out there that would just as soon see these animals go extinct as to have us use them for sp... to hunt.
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and after all, that is the bottom line. that's what these animals are all about. that's why they are here in the numbers that they're here today. >> david bamberger: you're at the first place that this... this is where it all began. >> logan: 83-year-old texan david bamberger has spent more than 30 years fighting to save one of these antelope, the scimitar-horned oryx, from extinction. he brought us to where it all began, in this small pasture, which he calls "the sahara," on his 5,500-acre ranch. >> bamberger: here they go. >> logan: look at that. they're beautiful. oh, look at the babies in the front. you almost have to remind yourself that this is not africa; it's johnson city, texas. this beautiful animal has horns that can grow as long as four feet, and resemble the curved blade of a scimitar. it's believed by some to have inspired the myth of the unicorn.
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>> bamberger: they tell me it's the only african antelope known to be able to kill a lion. >> logan: they vanished decades ago from the deserts of egypt, senegal, chad-- all the places where they first walked the earth more than two million years ago. >> bamberger: they wouldn't be here and alive if we hadn't taken some action 30 years ago. >> logan: in the late 1970s, bamberger offered to devote more than 600 acres of his property to save an endangered animal, at his own expense. american zoos sent him nearly all of the remaining known genetic stock of scimitar-horned oryx in the world, and from that, he raised hundreds of animals. he's since sent some to african reserves for eventual reintroduction into the wild, but he believes the best hope to sustain the species today lies on the texas range. >> bamberger: i've got ranchers that i started them out on with half a dozen animals that got 200 now. >> seale: but if you're a conservationist, and you've
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given up your land, you've given up thousands, millions of dollars to save this species. yet you're not against hunting them? >> bamberger: well, i wouldn't do it here. i'm not fond of it at all, but i'm wise enough, smart enough to know, if there's no incentive, if altruism is the only incentive, you're not going to get a great deal of participation on someone whose livelihood depends on bringing in dollars. >> logan: you'd think you were in africa. look at the giraffe sitting there. we turned to one of the world's top conservationists, pat condy, who lives in texas, to find out what he thought. >> pat condy: that's the scimitar-horned oryx. altogether, on different ranches, many different ranches, there are somewhere between 6,000 and 10,000 of these animals. >> logan: pat condy has devoted his life to saving animals, and he showed us around the fossil rim wildlife center, outside of dallas, which he runs.
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it's a world leader in breeding rare and endangered animals. >> hello, giraffe. >> logan: and it's also a place where tourists can get closer to these beautiful creatures than they ever could in the wild. do you think that texas ranches are saving animals from extinction? >> condy: there's no question about it, that they are. >> logan: what gives you the confidence to say what you're saying? >> condy: what gives me the confidence is when you look at the numbers, the animal numbers, okay, and you see that they're not declining, that they're either stable or growing. >> logan: the numbers-- you can't argue with that? >> condy: when you're talking about conservation, it's the numbers that are the bottom line. >> logan: but for priscilla feral, the bottom line is that these animals should not be hunted. she's helped create a reserve in senegal for 175 oryx, and in court, she's winning the legal battle she's been fighting for
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years to stop them from being hunted in the u.s. in april, a new rule issued by the u.s. fish and wildlife service took effect, making it a crime to hunt the scimitar- horned oryx, and two other endangered antelope, without a federal permit. texas ranchers are challenging the new rule in court. >> seale: just since the announcement of that rule, the value of those animals has probably dropped in half. you've got to understand, i'm a rancher to make a profit, just like any business. >> logan: how does this rule change affect that? >> seale: i will say that, in five years, you'll see half the numbers that you see today. and i would venture to guess, in ten years, they'll be virtually none of them left. >> feral: the future for oryx is africa; it's not texas. >> logan: can the future not be both? don't they have a greater chance of survival the more of them there are? >> feral: in their native lands. >> seale: regardless of where they are.
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>> feral: i don't think you can say regardless of where they are-- a texas hunting ranch is not the same as being in a reserve in senegal. >> condy: put the hunting aspect to one side and take a 50,000- foot view over this-- this resource of a species that is extinct in the wild is going to disappear now from texas, slowly but surely. >> seale: so who's winning the day here? >> condy: i don't think anybody's winning the day. one thing is for sure-- they are losing it. those species are losing it. >> and now a cbs sports update presented by follow the wings. i'll bill macatee. here at the fedex st. jude classic in memphis, dustin johnson shot 66 and won by one stroke for a sixth career pga tour victory and his first this season. at the men's final at the french
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as we first reported last fall, parker and stone have worked their magic on the great white way with another outrageous satire, which will soon be heading to denver, chicago and london. this has been the scene outside the eugene o'neil theater for over a year, as people line up for "the book of mormon," the hottest ticket on broadway. it's grossed $85 million, and broken 34 house records, including 500 performances without an empty seat. and that is music to the ears of its two creators-- trey parker, on the left, and matt stone, on the right. were you surprised it's been so successful? >> trey parker: yeah. i mean, we thought it was good. we thought the songs were really good, but we didn't think it was going to like this. ( laughter ) >> elder price: ♪ hello. my name is elder price... >> kroft: the musical is not just a satire of clean-cut, earnest mormons with unorthodox beliefs.
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it's a playful send-up of all organized religion. >> elder young: ♪ hello. my name is elder young... ♪ hello. ♪ did you know that jesus lived here in the u.s.a.? >> kroft: it's the story of two mismatched missionaries, played by andrew rannels and josh gad, who are sent off to africa to proselytize to pagans who have heard similar spiels before with no meaningful results. >> in this part of africa, we all have a saying. whenever something bad happens, we just throw our hands to the sky and say, hasa diga eebowai. >> josh gad: does it mean "no worries for the rest of our days"? ( laughter ) >> kind of. ♪ we've had no rain in several days >> ♪ hasa diga eebowai ♪ and 80% of us have aids. hasa diga eebowai... ♪ hasa diga eebowai hasa diga eebowai...
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>> kroft: what the mormons don't know, but soon will find out, is that the locals are flipping the finger at their heavenly father. >> f.u. to heavenly father? holy moly, i said it, like, 13 times! >> kroft: it is rude, crude, lewd, and blasphemous. but it hasn't kept critics from proclaiming "the book of mormon" the best broadway musical in a decade, or stop it from racking up nine tony awards. and for theater-going fans of trey parker and matt stone, it's exactly what they wanted and expected from the creators of "south park." >> matt stone: a lot of the stuff, the subject matter we've tackled, the way we found ourselves there is simply by trying to do something that no one else has touched. and so, it's like, "there's a reason why people haven't touched that." and we're like, "oh, really? because we want to do jokes other people haven't done, you know." >> kroft: are there lines that you won't cross? >> stone: no. i don't... yeah, we haven't found one yet. >> kroft: they are barely 40,
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and have already been collaborating for 20 years. they met in a film class at the university of colorado and were partnered up to work on a project, quickly discovering that they shared a love of monty python and a subversive sense of humor. what were you like back then? >> parker: really cool. ( laughter ) just amazingly cool. >> stone: most popular guys at c.u. >> kroft: do you remember what the attraction was? >> parker: i just remember our senses of humor were just so similar that we would just really crack each other up, and it got to the... it got really annoying for everyone else in film school. >> stone: "watch out for that bear trap." "what?" >> kroft: at ages 19 and 20, they raised $100,000 to make a movie about a colorado prospector named alfred packer, who was forced to dine on his colleagues while snowbound in the mountains. "cannibal: the musical" was rejected by the sundance film festival, but parker and stone went anyway and held guerilla screenings in a hotel conference room. did the film get released?
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>> stone: uh-huh. sort of. >> parker: basically, on video. >> stone: yeah, i guess that's... i guess that's what you could call it, a "release." >> kroft: i can, like, buy it on amazon.com? >> stone: yeah. i bet you can. >> parker: you might not want to pay more than a dollar for it, but... >> stone: you may not like the price. ( laughter ) >> kroft: they moved to hollywood and spent three whole years as starving young artists, until a studio executive gave them $1,200 and asked them to make a video christmas card that he could send to his friends. >> stone: we went back to colorado, and we spent three or four weeks cutting out construction paper, and we did this little thing called "the spirit of christmas." >> behold my glory. >> holy ( bleep ), it's jesus. >> kroft: the primitive five- minute cartoon featured an epic battle between jesus and santa claus over control of the holiday, as witnessed by a group of young boys that would eventually become the "south park" kids. >> help me put an end to him once and for all. >> no boys, help me. stan, remember the choo-choo when you were three? >> i died for your sins, boys. don't forget that. >> kroft: the video became an underground sensation.
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bootleg copies circulated all over the country, and ended up in the vcr machines of entertainment executives in l.a., new york and london. >> parker: that became so huge. i mean, it really was so viral, before youtube and all that. all of a sudden, people wanted to meet us more. and we got meetings everywhere, all of a sudden, and people were like, "okay, what do you want to do?" >> kroft: they eventually signed a contract to produce six episodes of a cartoon show based on "the spirit of christmas" for a fledgling cable network called comedy central. the show was named "south park" after a real place in a remote stretch of colorado, where trey parker says strange things always seemed to happen. >> parker: south park was where everyone growing up, all the stories would come where, like, "oh, did hear they found another ufo?" ( laughter ) "there's been all these cattle mutilations." it was like, "where?" "south park." >> kroft: their version of south park would become a creative petri dish to examine and parody all the truly weird things going on in the adult world of america, as seen through the eyes of four elementary school
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boys who try to make sense of it all. >> parker: we used to talk about "all in the family," and we were big fans of "all in the family". in the time of the early '90s, we were kind of sitting there going, "you know, a show like that couldn't be on the air right now. you couldn't do it," because things are so p.c. you couldn't have an archie bunker. and we used to talk about how, you know, "if archie bunker was eight years old, i bet you could do it." >> by the way, children, there's a walkout scheduled today to protest the war in iraq. so if you're against the war, run along outside. and if you're for the war, stay here and we'll do math problems. >> yay! >> kroft: a common device is to drop the kids in the middle of some explosive situation and surround them with extremes on all sides of an issue. >> here you go, boys. these will help you protest. >> tom statsel, hbc news. can you tell me why you kids marched out of school today? >> um... war? >> hey, all you un-american bastards!
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if you don't like america, why don't you get out? >> kroft: the show regularly takes on race and bigotry. >> okay, the category is "people who annoy you." >> i know it but i don't think i should say it. >> kroft: in this episode, one of the boys' father makes an embarrassing appearance on "wheel of fortune." >> oh. "naggers." of course. >> kroft: and then there was this on the financial crisis. >> how can i help you, young man? >> i got a $100 check from my grandma, and my dad says i have to put it in the bank so it can grow over the years. >> well, that's fantastic. a really smart decision, young man. we can put that check in a money market mutual fund. then, we'll reinvest the earnings in a foreign currency account with compounding interest... and... it's gone. >> uh, what? >> it's gone. it's all gone. >> what's all gone? >> the money in your account. it didn't do too well. it's gone. >> what do you mean? i have $100. >> not anymore you don't.
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poof. >> kroft: it is worth reminding the uninitiated viewer that we are showing you sanitized scenes suitable for network television, not the cable, movie or dvd versions, in which the dialogue can be scatological as well philosophical, and every bit as profane as it profound. but it is usually pitch-perfect to anyone who has spent any time around ten-year-olds aspiring to be adolescents. i bet if you eavesdropped on a bunch of fourth graders today, the language would be pretty close to what you hear on "south park." >> stone: i think we talked like this when i was in fourth and fifth grade. you know, you learned those bad words. you just know how to shut it off when the adults were around. >> parker: and it was like, "let's do a show where kids talk the way kids talk." because, at the time, we were, you know, just out of college, like, we remember. >> stone: maybe that's it. we were young enough to remember. now, we're remembering remembering. >> kroft: perhaps the most
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remarkable thing about parker and stone is that, over the past 15 years, they have written, directed, and voiced the major characters in every scene of more than 200 episodes of "south park." >> stone: then why did you lie about not seeing clyde frog the night he died? >> parker: i know that i'm awesome and cool, polly prissy- pants. >> kroft: their typical week begins on thursday in this l.a. conference room with a blank storyboard and a brainstorming session that includes executive producer anne garefino and two staff writers. >> stone: and you have, like, a typical, like, cartman comes in... >> kroft: they have six days to deliver a completed episode to comedy central that will air the following wednesday. that usually involves five ten- to-12-hour days and one all- nighter. as soon as they have an idea for a scene, parker sill sit down and bang it out, and then hand it off to the animators and, if necessary, to the lawyers. >> parker: we probably have more freedom than anyone in television and we have for a long time, but we do still, at the end of the day... >> stone: we have legal. >> parker: ...we have lawyers. we have legal.
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>> kroft: one of the touchiest episodes was about scientology, a notoriously litigious group. parker and stone wanted to include a scene dealing with tabloid rumors that tom cruise, its most famous member, was secretly gay. >> parker: and actually, the joke was just, "okay, we're going to have tom cruise show up and he's flamboyantly gay and whatever." and, like, "yeah, but you can't say he's gay." and it's like, "okay, but we can say he's, like, closeted gay." and they're like, "no, you really can't say that, either," like, and it just became this thing of, like, "what if he's literally in a closet?" and they're, like, "yeah, you can do that." >> hey, dad. tom cruise won't come out of the closet. >> mr. cruise. mr. cruise. come out of the closet. >> tom, it's nicole. you don't need to be in that closet anymore, tom. >> tom, it's john travolta. tom, you've got to come out of the closet. oh, my god! >> kroft: their politics are indecipherable, but tending towards libertarian. they don't carry water for anyone, don't do market research. and their only target audience is each other. if something makes them both
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laugh, it ends up in the show. so, how do you describe this relationship? >> stone: at this point, it's kind of like a marriage, you know and, you know, in the way that we're just, like... we've just been together so long. we spend so much time together that you can almost finish each other's sentences. >> parker: and it's funny, because we're just at that level now where it just doesn't happen anymore that one of us can say to the other, "you know, one time, i was doing this." ( laughter ) because, "yeah, i know, i was there." >> anne garefino: the foundation of their relationship is one of the strongest partnerships i've ever seen in any business. >> kroft: ann garefino and scott rudin know them as well as anyone, and have been with them since the very beginning. garefino is the executive producer of "south park," and rudin is the entertainment mogul who launched their film careers. both produced the broadway musical. >> scott rudin: sometimes, i've seen people try and triangulate one against the other. but, you know, you see people try to get between them, they shut it down so fast. they have each other's backs in the absolute best possible way. and it doesn't mean they don't disagree, because they frequently disagree, but they are genuinely a partnership.
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>> kroft: garefino thinks that matt stone is the more ruthless of the two when it comes to satire, and that trey is softer with a sweet sense of humor that provides the charm. we wanted to know what they thought of that analysis. >> stone: that anne's pretty smart. >> parker: anne's a bitch. ( laughter ) >> stone: see? see? that was the opposite, right? >> parker: we're just proving the opposite. >> stone: boy, that trey's ruthless. >> parker: ( bleep ) anne, she's fired. >> ♪ i believe that the lord god created the universe ♪ i believe that he sent... >> kroft: there is no doubt that sharp teeth and a big heart are the foundation of their success. and both qualities are evident in "the book of mormon," which manages to ridicule the silliness of religious dogma, while still being uplifting and pro-faith. >> ♪ and a mormon just believes... >> go to 60minutesovertime.com to see how parker and stone race to complete a "south park" episode in only one week.
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